Is Ubuntu/Mate the answer to Taking Back the Internet?

Sadly, I've not had more time to get very involved with Ubuntu. I'd love to have a better understanding of it, and I am trying but, my need for Ubuntu/Mate is probably unique so I need to ask a few questions in case I am just spinning my wheels.

There is a madness to my method so please, bare with me as I ramble my way through this query. :slight_smile:


Will Mate help me beat back the peeps, pervs and Stalkers (AKA cookies, beacons, LSO's, IP relative results, etcetera) and let me get back to 'Surfing The Information Highway' without being followed, analyzed, tagged, bagged, and served up to governments, advertisers, and other ne'er-do-wells?

(You can ignore this and jump down to The ISSUE below but it helps to know).
Today did it! I went to my online bank to pay a bill. I noted with the half-dozen of browser add-on condoms, some suggested that a adobe stalker was placed on my computer. I called the bank but they only deal within the box and the agent, a well versed man tried his best to help me "Opt-out" (OO).

Cutting to the quick, he sent me to a link that is the generic DACC OO app. Using a desktop to avoid the 'app' and it's stalkers, I went to the link and discovered 170 companies registered a easy OO BUT, only for Canadians. There were about 150 countries one could click and repeat the process for the number of stalkers in that country, but ONLY if the Stalker is registered, and ONLY if the company honors the OO request - and many don't..
In the end, it's just companies that offer an OO, and some offer it, but do not honor it.


I fight on a daily basis against the peeps and perverted Stalkers (AKA trackers, cookies, beacons LSOs, etcetera) . Opting out is a time-wasting nightmare and most ignore the opt-out request anyway. And most successful Opt-outs are cookie based, that requires one to run the gauntlet of opting-out if they get deleted by security add-ons.

Today, again, I wanted to opt-out from my banks Adobe stalker. They do the same as most do, load us up with dozens of links to dozens of sites where one has to roam the site looking for the opt-out option.
Today, I have to opt-out of 170 Stalkers. Of which only 7 accepted it by auto-removed - so they said. The others, I have to visit manually and rummage through their obstacle course to get off their Peep machine. A very long and arduous task.

My Goal:

  1. My aim is to block all of them, without loading up my browser with more ineffective, costly, addons to protect my privacy.

  2. Promote Opt-In:

  • Too many people accept the idea that the Internet belongs to corporations and government. Since when? Answer: Since we allowed it.
  • Who gave 'them' the authority to force us into a Opted-In position? They did.
  • Why does every Stalker make it so hard to Opt-out? Duh!
  • They hold that Agree of Else gun to our heads.
  • And we all pay for this attack on our privacy whenever we buy any product, or service. Lemmings!

To the Ubuntu/Mate (U/M) power users.

Are there a number of tools available, not browser add-ons, that make 'private' private again?

Is the same effort being applied to prevent hackers from accessing a Linux- U/M driven computer also being developed to help prevent forced Opt-ins?


p.s. Thanks to all those dedicated, hardworking and rarely recognized volunteers that help us all around here. Your time and effort is appreciated - really!

I know about add-ons, VPN, TOR, and costs associated with preventative measures. I have alarms for my house, my car, and my cabin (no one around hear). I have bars on my windows, chain-up lawn mower, and use 126 bit 20 channel passwords on the computer. But still, those thugs and bullies are in every shadow.

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You can set up a DNS-based solution like Host Flash on your Linux machine or a pi-hole for your whole network. Will be trickier to setup than browser addons though.

As long as you have a decent computer (let's say something with 4 threads/4gb ram or more), your browser (tweaked Firefox, ungoogled-chromium or - don't hit me - Brave) should be fine with Ublock Origin (advanced mode) + Privacy Badger + Privacy Possum + Canvasblocker + Decentraleyes + Cookies Autodelete + Multi-account Containers (Firefox only).
This plus a VPN you trust should help but sadly, I don't believe in such a thing as "perfect privacy' as long as you're online nowadays.

IMHO, the ultimate solution is browsing using Ubuntu Mate Live CD. Nothing survives its reboot. To avoid running your PC from Live CD you can try browsing from virtual machine, which in turn runs from Live CD image and does not hurt PC itself.

hi there! :slight_smile:

uhmmm just learn a bit about the beginning of the internet, like who made it... :smiley: so the answer is since the beginning.

otherwise there are services in ur system that you can keep an eye on, and whatever u use, but those are mainly like updates, bug reports and the like... the bigger half is that ur browsing, so its more of a network stack related question than a distro related.

all the bests to u, and dont forget to wear ur tinfoil hat! :smiley: and watch out! /o\ (no offense, im somewhat of a paranoid security guy myself as well :smiley: )

First, sorry for the following wall of text - I'm bored again - with that said onward rant... this is a discussion - right? We're exchanging ideas and opinions and that's how we learn...

  1. Uhmmm, but I do now. If I believe the U.S. news media, it was Al Gore that said he invented the Internet. But fake, politically baked and biased U.S. news aside, I do know how the 'net started, and there was no "who made it", it was everyone that wanted to be involved. ARPANET was just the seed no one cared about at the time.
    For the U.S., Al Gore, during his vice-presidency, was the first real person of power to help the internet along when he gathered the support and helped find funding for more research and expansion. Like everything, the U.S. has laid claim to creating the Internet - which would not have happened if everyday people didn't support it. People with a vision. Corporations took over and turned it into the Trashnet

  2. Control of people is sought by government and corporations. i.e., More and more we see the news broadcasters sites only allowing public comments IF the person commenting has Facebook and the comment is via the Facebook plugin. Read Facebooks terms of use and privacy policy and you'll understand why the reason behind why our parents fought and died in 2 wars is being eroded.

We shouldn't have to pay to protect our privacy. Government and corporations are ignoring our demands and in a sly way, goading us into believing that we have no right to privacy. Nor should be we spending a inordinate amount of time opting out of stalkerware that in most cases, opting out only causes the peeps with the Stalkers to look closer.
MY point, is that corporations tell us we must accept their monkey to ride our backs if want to use the 'net or we say no, they'll peep anyway.

I'm not paranoid. I wouldn't be paranoid if I saw people looking in my windows at home, followed me from room to room timing how long I'm in each and what I read, said, did. I wouldn't be paranoid if people followed me through the grocery store noting everything I look at and at what I buy, nor paranoid when the grocery store monitors my bio-metrics. Not paranoid if those same pervs follow me up to the change-room, waited, and recorded what I went in with, came out with, and paid for, nor paranoid if those pervs monitored and noted what I watch on TV, nor if they open my paper-mail - read it, and recorded items of their interest and used *A.I. to create a psychological profile of me for advertisers and governments. No sir, 'not paranoid'. I do feel P'O'ed, disgusted, naked, very afraid, cautious to a fault, and whole host of other not-so-nice feelings.

The kids of today have already been assimilated and are already part of the Google/Social Media/Microsoft collective. There is no hope for the children but while I'm alive, I'll kick and scream at the Stalkers, peeps and pervs that made it their business to mind and mine my personal business.

Most all of that only works because of Windows... something very easy to see through.

I hoped Linux/Ubuntu/Mate would buck the system.

Maybe we need a O/S called 'Shutters'?

.* Artificial Idiots

Sorry for the rants - I was bored again.

Thanks for that tip. I read Host Flash is designed to manage and block sites with "hosts known to contain undesirable content".
One "host" could have 2000 domains under it. Blocking one host could block thousands of domains UNLESS the author of the instructions for Host-Flash revamped what a 'host' is, or more likely, I don't get what a 'host' is this week.

I already have those installed, and already ran into domains telling me to drop my drawers or move on. I move on. I get sites blocking my access with "We notice you use a ad blocker....' and block me from seeing the site. If there is a comment, contact or such, I will sometimes respond with "I am not blocking your ads. I am blocking Stalkware wrapped up inside your ads." or "I'm not blocking ads, I am blocking spyware disguised as a ad.' But never get replies... because they don't care. I'm just one of *4,383,810,342 people with internet.

Yeppers. I hear ya on that "trust" thing. I used VPNs to file a complaint through the FBI. The FBI site blocked my communication because the FBI said I could not access via a VPN. They did not allow me to file a complaint through VPN.

The other problem with VPN is, searches localizes your results based on the location of the final IP address. This is a recent kiddie-kewl feature found in way too many web site templates that incorporate stalkers the 'web master' cares little about or knows nothing of. VPN is great if one knows the address of their destination and URL-it.

I gave up VPNs because they are not cheap and are just another annual cost that no one should bare, are at times very slow, Privacy and Terms policies add no assurance of privacy. Plus I pay for anti-virus, anti-malware, internet user fees, upgrading costs, electricity, the pangs of frustration and I forever am exceeding my monthly allowable number of "Agrrggggg" moments. I'm starting to feel that the 'net is very close to not being worth the cost, the grief, the slime, trash and forced controls.

My Ubu refuses to remember my password. I have fixed it several times, and on re-boot, have to sneak in - lengthy process. When there is a good fix, then I intend to wipe my drive, re-install, and start over now that I know a little more about all the work needed to make those peeping pervs job of Stalking me a little harder.
That, or mow the lawn.


*"Internet Usage and World Population Statistics estimates for May 9, 2019" (source)

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sure, i hear u, and ur right! :slight_smile:

btw ive found the article ive read in the recent days on the topic:

i was too lazy to get part 1, i mean ive got almost 1000 tabs opened already (again) so i have enough duty for my "entertainment" (serious sh*t actually, im a developer, and i wanna bring back privacy :slight_smile: )

btw/2 u could check out (the ceo, Todd Weaver, is a dad and an engineer, who was thinking about his kiddos' future so he made the company with privacy in the 1st place for hw and services, i actually really like their work :slight_smile: i think 1-2 months ago he wrote a post on their site about this very topic im taling about. otherwise they have exensive stuffs, so u can search for core-/libreboot for finding cheaper materies, and also for pinephone that ive seen only in these days with very few info about it on their wiki, but both phones are wip stuffs...)

other good resources are and that u shouldnt miss! :slight_smile:

otherwise i dont care much about my online stuffs, but my local security is wat matters for me, as a hacker should not hide under a bush but should proudly face with the world :smiley: i know what i do online and i dont care about my footsteps, i want my safe harbour to be safe, and i wanna build my private stuffs so i can opt-out that way from the surveillance services for my private stuffs :slight_smile:

have fun! :slight_smile:

Wow! I am so glad you showed me this. I know it was a while ago, I've been up to my Yin in Yangs but have recently had time to really delve into it. I don't know if I'm glad that there are tools available, or more disgusted with the forced 1984-style of Over-watch Lords.


Your'e right - something not to be missed. What a wealth of info and tools. This and the above prove that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train after all! Many many thanks. I've been reading them all, and reading them again.


I agree. I was excited a couple years ago when Anonymous started in on banks scamming customers, releasing documents related to police hiding brutality, and basically just doing the Snowden/ Assange thing, but disappointed when some Anons got political. I know they are anyone that wants to fly the Anon flag, but disappointed again when some of the pros went silent. I was their fan, for the most part.

I care everything about what I say and do on the Trashnet - I mean Internet, because it's all recorded. I've seen people trash their boss in Facebook thinking only their friends could see it. It may have been said before, but if not, I'm saying it now.
Caution: Anything you say and do can and will be taken out of context and used against you in the courts of Social Media.

Stalking is becoming a way of life - no? Even retailers are watching us much closer now with more than just cameras. Witness Walmarts bio-metric shopping carts. Cars that report our driving habits and from where to where, and every transaction is shared with any company with the money and need to know what we buy and how often.

A friend recently complained that as he was being driven into town, a message popped up on his cell from a retailer that , where he bought a health-food supplement a month earlier pointed out "we noticed you are in the neighborhood and that he would be getting low by then and should drop by and pick up another months supply. The message pointed out the retailer were only 2 blocks away on the right-side from where he was in the moving vehicle. Convenient? Stalking, or invasion?

I'll leave you go to your work, and a big thank you for these tips and links. I have already started to put some to good use and will certainly continue delving deeper - thanks to your suggestions. Much appreciated.

All these links you provided, and Ubuntu will help me feel a little more private and much safer. It's too bad it's become so necessary.


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hi there! :slight_smile:

thx for the nice words bro! :slight_smile:

tl;dr: dont forget that what u own/use, will own/use u!

its a long journey to tidy up ur cyber life if it can be ever said to be done. there are so many goodies out there to make use of them, but dont forget that there is most likely no complete but only reasonable security, and it always have its cost! so the bad thing around these is that as u go forward with utilizing stuffs, u need to learn, follow and validate (~invest) more and more of them and there is no common ground and agreement around to just find The Distro™ or whatever like to just download install and use it... so think out"THE DISTRO"side the box and try ur best to live with the beta quality life and go only for the really important bits, or whatever u want if ur time lets u do so, but this consumes u (~ur time) so be careful.

on the other hand, if ur a hacker, then u can make things to be Just Works™, that looks like ur not making a cogwheel of urself in the middle of ur machinery while ur trying to break free from global enlsavement and become ur very own slave, but that requires much learning and researching, that is kinda much similar, but in that case u can utilize ur knowledge and tools to get some money anyhow that can earn back some of ur freedom u invested into making them :smiley: (and if ur not a hacker, then learn coding, it is really beneficial! :slight_smile: )

actually u can simply get existing solutions for whatever u want but then u must learn them u must follow their development, look after their vulners and basically they will become a messy bloat that have no much ways for interoperability just the way u want it and ull have freestanding equipments that will be really nice to work with, but then again, ull be the glue in the middle of ur bloated system that runs on a thousand different funds and u must follow a big bunch of important pieces as they evolve to use them well... like currently i have rhythmbox for playing music, easytag for editing id3 tags (meta data) of the tracks, mp3val for fixing errors (that sometimes makes others in the meantime :smiley: ) streamripper and youtube-dl for getting them and im the glue inbetween them... however shell utilities can be used together with some bash for the glue, but thats not suitable for really complicated works, but still, u will see things u dont like, ull wish for features, and ull have a sh*tload of "blackboxes" (yup, tasty opensauce, good luck to follow up all of their development, or just open the umpteenth issue that wont get a single echo... :smiley: sad story...) or just see ur favourite stuff becoming abandonware (good! now u own a new toy that is being more urs than it was ever been! :smiley: ) or just a service becomes unavailable and then ull feel inner pain in direct ratio with the lvl as u relied on it... even more if a service just swallows ur precious data when it goes :smiley:

my best idea around this is to put everything that matters onto a common ground, so i think linux lua(jit!) c and bash are enough for kinda much anything, if i wanna count upon everything then frontend can also be counted, and maybe some kinda database... these are enough for everything, and playing nicely together! btw luajit have the main role on my (sub)system ("sub", cuz currently it doesnt run on baremetal, but on linux, even if its possible to go below linux with it with some extra work on it, but its good to have linux and all its goodies around). so it is developed from itself with live coding and it have a big bunch of general utilities that can serve as a ground for everything, like an universal parser, universal structure handlers (cuz every data is a graph, mostly a tree or an array or a matrix, but those are all just special cases of a graph; they can handle any kind of them like lua tables and file system, and they can do anything with any kinda data) and some security and debugging utilities, it have a freestanding graphical toolkit (tekui), and now im planning to put a bunch of network related tools into it, like a server (turbo) for publicating, making whatever webapps like a private chat, wireshark (it can be scripted in lua :smiley: ), curl (it is a headless browser for interacting with the www from programs) and luakit (a webkit based browser that can interact with my stuffs and can utilize my tools). then ill put in some system related stuff and im planning to handle file formats, but maybe ill use some c libs for those, and i also wanna make multimedia stuffs into it (and that is not the end of the list :smiley: ). this way its all on the same ground, with a reasonable bunch of external tools that i can totally own and read it from A to Z cuz these are kinda small things, and then it is a complete ecosystem where i dont need to worry about things happening in the outside world. i could even get whatever driver from the linux kernel for going down to baremetal. everything i have can really work together!! they are not written in a thousand different languages, they are not bloated, they are well known, flexible and really pretty, stable and small... if i would do it in node, or python (im a fullstack web dev and i used python much in the past, so i really know them) then i would have a bloated messy hell! what if u wanna use ur favorit toy u wrote in x language in ur web app or u wanna make a plugin for ur ide and u have to learn a completely new toolset, reimplement everything u need, rely on others' madness, limits and erroneous codes?! that means a lotsa pain! and thats the point!

beware with utilizing too much things and get addicted by them, try to stay independent, and dont forget the costs, so try to hack life before ur trying to hack machines, cuz thats basically much harder and expensive!

btw my app is currently private, cuz i also plan to make e-democracy, and it will be built on top of my existing tools, and im really afraid of bad things that could happen if it would be released too early, it just triggers my apocalyptic visions on too many ways, like someone with money power and a big team would take it as its free and opensource and poison it with commercial trash and utilize its powers to milk the ppl or whatever ... just for a trivial example only... otoh its name is Szoszi, so ull see it under that name, but not much soon, and i will get on the board a small bunch of others before release it to the public, but that also waits for some related work, so u can also stay around if ur interested, or for whatever reason, its always good to have one more geek friend :smiley:

and finally, if ppl abuse ur online footsteps against u, then react on that on the same fund. so ur example was when they cut a text/video the way it casts a dark shadow on them, then they should be corrected or if they dont wanna play kind then u can spread the verb that they did so, and as that is their job, it will hurt them enough, even if bad ads are ads as well... if a boss is looking after ur trash, then that person isnt straight enough to deserve ur company, so its fine if he/she wrecks ur common ground... and against trackers, use "ublock origin", and dont use trash services! :smiley: cybersecurity should come only after these! and its more about keeping ur private area safe than anything else, so vulners are the most important and other security measurements are kinda much just for some extra fun :smiley:

bests, code much, and dont forget to wear ur tinfoil hat! :smiley:

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