You have a point there. I posted because no one else did and @stevecook172001 clearly wanted some feed-back (short Anyone?-post that was since removed).
I think @stevecook172001 is using Linux as a workstation, doing audio production etc. My statement about Linux as a workstation was a genuine realization after using Linux for 10 years. Steve may or may not agree, but I wanted to give him my opinion.
Booting an older kernel is a good suggestion, I agree with that. However, if a small kernel security patch breaks things it's quite odd. That shouldn't happen (in theory).
As for trying another distro, I gave up on UM 16.04. I can point to several problems, which I brought up in different threads. As a matter of fact I thought that if @stevecook172001 is still using it as a daily driver, then I might have been too fast to jump ship.
However, he had similar problems before (as I remember it) so this time I thought it was time for him to try something new. Another distro doesn't have to be another distro, it can be another version of Ubuntu MATE. Releases based on Ubuntu 17.04 were generally better received than their 16.04 counterparts.
I tend to make the assumption that if it doesn't work for me it probably doesn't work for anyone else either. That's not a good assumption to make, I know⌠Anyway, I'm curious if there is a solution to this webcam problem so I hope @stevecook172001 keeps us updated. Is it a kernel patch or is it something else?
[quote=âmrtribute, post:22, topic:13690â]However, if a small kernel security patch breaks things itâs quite odd.[/quote]Actually, it could still be numerous things. I have yet to see an update log. Without knowing the exact kernel version that is causing the issue, itâd be hard to determine the exact cause. Obviously it shouldnât happen but with who knows how many hardware configurations out there, itâs hard to test for all use cases. Not making excuses here, just explaining why I said what I said earlier â software is flawed, by default.[quote=âmrtribute, post:22, topic:13690â]Is it a kernel patch or is it something else?[/quote]That still depends on the exact version that is causing the issue. Personally, Iâd recommend just switching to a different minor kernel version. So (just a number, as an example) â 4.3.x instead of 4.2.x.
Iâve just tried backtracking to the last two kernels back. same story. Which mirrors my experience way back with 12.04 when both my printer and the old, traditional LTSP installation failed following the introduction of Ubuntu 14.04. This was before UM and when I was using standard Ubuntu with Gnome fallback. However, when I went back to 12.04 having found my printer and LTSP no longer worked on 14.04, lo and behold, they no longer worked on any downloadable copies of 12.04. Only if I installed an old copy of 12.04 I already possedssed and then stopped all updates/upgrades, was I able to keep the printer and LTSP going.
It was the advent of UM 14.04 and then PNP LTSP which worked on UM 14.04 that finally persuaded me to come back to Ubuntu having left to go to Mint over the previous bollocks with my printer and LTSP.
But, since 16.04, PNP LTSP has stopped working (and, of course, doesnât work on 14.04 either now) and now it appears my USB 3 ports (which is what I am suspecting is behind the web-cam issue) are not working as well.
AgainâŚsame story.
Worked on 16.04.1
Not worked on 16.04.2
Now not working, also on any newly downloadable copy of 16.04.1
This suggests to me a very specific update that breaks it. I'd still like to see an update log.
Here:
You mentioned an update process that broke it. To help identify the cause, an update log of that update round would go a long way.
See:
You, see if we can identify this very specific updated packages that breaks it, we might be able to get it working for you properly with a revert for that update. And also, it would allow us to file a bug report against that package/update.
[quote=âstevecook172001, post:26, topic:13690, full:trueâ]No, sorry. not going round in circles any-more.
Had enough[/quote]I hope you never develop a serious illness because more often than not even medicine is a case of trial and error and trying different things. Been there, done that. Lost a good portion of the use of my left leg as a result of it.
What drivel. It is precisely because what you choose to call âtrial and errorâ, which I am perfectly capable of undertaking, but which I know from previous experience with precisely this kind of thing with Ubuntu on a number of occasions actually amounts to going round in circles, is the reason why I have had enough.
Hi @stevecook172001,
I can understand the issues mentioned and boredom when updates or even a driver/hardware may not work properly.
Iâve faced something similar when I left 12.04 to 14.04 begin.
Microsoft Webcam, which it worked but then it crashed. Still changing distributions nothing worked. With so many attempts, searches and posts in forums something has taken effect. Today if I plug it works perfectly. Collaboration, the report, reporting a bug allows it to be better in the future.
When we deal with hardware device drivers the complexity is high. Often we do not have an official driver or code available to correct.
The evolution depends beyond the communityâs efforts, especially the manufacturerâs desire to maintain compatibility between systems and new versions of drivers for new Kernels and Graphics Interfaces.
I donât know if this can help but at the time for me it helped:
You can try to install a virtual machine on your system with the version that works with your device and so do not lose access to it, until new drivers or updates correct these points.
For example: printer, webcam or even some software that works only on the Win or other distro.
e.g. https://www.virtualbox.org/ with VM VirtualBox Extension Pack
I hope you can have your device functioning and independent of the platform. In the Linux universe, with the strength of the community we can improve and always learn from each other.
