Would Ubuntu MATE consider dropping unnecessary software?

Compiz runs well on our machines. Including Ubuntu Mate 16.04, 17.04, and 17.10 A2.

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I use Compiz on a daily basis.
I just wish it was still going to receive updates after 17.10, because mainline Ubuntu is switching to GNOME 3, which does not support it.

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You can always use Scott Moreau’s repo when Canonical eventually drops support for 0.9; should be easy enough to install.

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i completly disagree. i love the fact that i can see AND install all the apps that i want and that there almost no bloathware apps are installed. welkcome screen is not unnecessary. its hekp full. plus if you dont want to see it every time click the button so it wont show up. and the tips. if you take that away i need to go back webbrowsing to search for them

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The Welcome app is easy to turn off after the first bootup. I don’t know if it still does but in 16.04 it “contained” the “software boutique” Which gives easy ppa access to some very useful applications like xbmc/kodi, mkmkv, etc.

Who decides what is “essential”? As along as the pre-installed apps are listed unnecessarily as dependencies in other packages (Gnome are you listening?) unlike with the windows and android bloatware from the vendors, removing it is only a few clicks away.

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Speaking of the idea of bloatware, or what is defined as bloatware, Ubuntu MATE strikes a very healthy balance. Some people like nursing a bare-bones system into their image, other people like systems with all of the fat one could add. Ubuntu MATE in my mind tries to strike a middle ground where if Linux systems were people, it would be the healthiest by virtue of moderation; just fat enough to pursue academia and self-actualization, while not being so heavy to be in the way of itself.

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If you want minimal then go use arch linux, where you have complete control over what you put on the system.

*buntu distros try to simplify things and include features out of the box that are usable.

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What you looking for is Gnome. It comes with nothing

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Install Debian Netinst. What You find as bloatware may be useful for other users. I loved Ubuntu 8.04 because it contained all the network tools and programs that I found extremely useful and I would have found them myself.

Your comparison with smartphones isn’t quite the same: on smartphone You can’t delete software though I agree that getting rid of dependencies is near to impossible.

I think we should concentrate on programs that MATE should contain. We can’t get rid of everything. We should rather vote which program should be thrown out or what to add. A distro should be like a Swiss knife. If You want a raw installation, take Debian or Arch.

I definitely don't agree with veggrower here. The Welcome screen is one of the best features of UM for new users. I abandoned Gnome because it didn't come with the tools to tweak it (or indeed that many options to do so), so I definitely want mate-tweak. I couldn't have fixed my screen-tearing issues without having mate-tweak, so it's kind of necessary. IMO, UM comes with a good selection of basic software. I even use Tilda all the time. These packages are not bloatware in anything like the Windows sense of the word.

Ubuntu Mate aims to be an easy-to-use distro with plenty of options for customizing it. This is good, especially since Gnome comes with next to nothing. :smiley:

If you want a bare-bones system that lets you pick only the packages you want (and that is a perfectly laudable goal!), Arch or Gentoo is your jam. I'm thinking of trying Gentoo next time I install Linux so I can experience a fully customized system. But UM fits its chosen niche (easy to use and customizable distro that appeals to beginners and many advanced users alike) very well IMO.

So... don't change UM too much, please!