Typos or questions about English strings in ubuntu-mate-welcome

[Aluxandria]

@lah7 In gettingstarted.pot, there is an item that confuses me :

“may have drivers for your card that can boost performance for 3D applications and games as well as improved power management.”

EDIT: may have... [something]... as well as improved... [something] works except in context there’s another sentence which is may have drivers for your card that can boost performance for 3D applications and games both kind of clash…

In the end we have : ...drivers... as well as improved power management that stands out.

Or is it just me being confused over nothing ?

Also, here :
“Improve power management, especially if the device overheats then usual under open source drivers.”

[lah7]

It could be a tad bit confusing since there is a missing word at the start - the manufacturer’s name:

[NVIDIA/AMD] may have drivers for your card that can boost performance for 3D applications and games as well as improved power management.

When reading aloud, improve does sound right. Perhaps the sentence could be rewritten to say:

[Manufacturer] may have drivers for your card that can boost performance for 3D applications and games as well as deliver improvements to power management.

I don’t remember the grammar term to describe the original sentence.

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The next one can be seen in a set of bullet points, which reads:

Users may wish to install these drivers to:

• Improve power management, especially if the device overheats then usual under open source drivers.

This one sounds OK to me, but could be rephrased to:

Users may wish to install these drivers to:

• Improve power management, particularly if the device experiences overheating problems under open source drivers.

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If you’re happy with these changes, I’ll submit the changes.

[Aluxandria]

For the first one, I don’t know if a change needs to occur. (Though one could argue if one person gets confused, more could potentially get confused too, as I wasn’t particularly looking for an error/typo) If you have time (and want to, as this could be the way you want it expressed), could you run this sentence by another native english speaker ?

(Is the term “Interpolated clause” the right one for this case in english ? (FR) “Proposition incise”)

For the second, I’m positive “Users may wish to install these drivers to improve power management, especially if the device overheats then usual under open source drivers.” does not make sense. Your proposition seems much better.

Also, sorry for the trouble

[lah7]

I thought that - if both phrases could cause someone to go “Hang on, did I read that correctly?” and question its grammar, then it may be safer to rephrase it altogether.

(I’m not the one to ask for terminology, I’ve forgotten! )

It’s not too much trouble for me, but hassle for the translators. Ideally, we should consolidate any further string changes, so we can allow translators to complete their language - especially when the deadline is 07 April 2016.

[DaveB]

Users may wish to install these drivers to:
Improve power management, particularly if the device experiences overheating problems under open source drivers.

To help save future headaches (false complaints about hardware failure), maybe consider?
Users may wish to install these drivers to:
Improve power management, particularly if the device experiences problems under open source drivers.

[lah7]

I forgot to mention, I submitted the changes earlier today.

I can see where you’re coming from – but then again, proprietary drivers can cause its own set of problems too. I’ll stick to the original context - as open source drivers have been a cause of overheating, which is stabilised when the manufacturer’s driver takes over power management (better heat control).

But thanks for the suggestion.

[Aluxandria]

In gettingstarted what do you think about this item :

“Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login and isolate their personal data with yours.”

I never encountered, and can’t find a meaning for "to isolate with" in this sentence.
There’s "to isolate from" which works in this context ?

Here I’m at a loss :
“This information is useful when providing support to ensure hardware and software works on your machine and Ubuntu MATE.”
Linux software can work on my machine but not on Ubuntu MATE ?
Edit : Yes it can, I get it. Isn’t this sentence slightly confusing still though ?

And then I went back to this item :
291 - “Prompt is you want to Suspend, Restart or Shutdown the computer”
… which seems weird still.

[lah7]

Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login and isolate their personal data with yours.

Debatable - it sounds OK to me (but I did write that) and would still be understood. Another English speaker should add their thoughts.

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This information is useful when providing support to ensure hardware and software works on your machine and Ubuntu MATE.

Agreed. Some alternates to deliver the same meaning:

1. … ensure hardware and software works on your machine. and Ubuntu MATE.
2. … ensure hardware and software works on your machine under Ubuntu MATE.

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Prompt is you want to Suspend, Restart or Shutdown the computer

I didn’t write that one! Looking it up, it’s the keyboard shortcut to shut down. So:

Open the dialog box to shutdown, restart or suspend.

But in British English, we call them a dialogue box.

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@wolfman has expressed his interest to proof-read, which would be greatly appreciated. Ideally, I’d like to give one more push for any grammar errors, and leave it at that… otherwise translations will never be 100% complete - and there’s only 2 weeks left!

[DaveB]

Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login and isolate their personal data with yours.

Is this any good?

Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login, each user’s data will be isolated.

[lah7]

I feel like I’m overthinking this… After all, both the original and yours are understood, so we could say: Is changing really necessary for English?

Times when you need the grammar police.

Going back to @Aluxandria’s encounter, to isolate from and to isolate with - would changing to this make sense?

Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login and isolate their personal data from yours.

Or is re-structuring the sentence a better solution?

Share your computer with others? Set up each user with their own unique profile that they can use to login and isolate their personal data with yours. with personalized settings and separate files.

I really don’t know. It could be the word “isolate” - there are other ways to describe it.

[DaveB]

Understand where you are coming from with the original version, but the structure needs tweaking. Currently reads as… both sets of data will be isolated, but isolation will happen together, like two people in a room separated from everyone else.

with yours always implies a connection, from yours is correct.

Or, for a condensed version (less is more), consider?

Share your computer with others? To isolate data, set up each user with their own unique profile.

Know what you mean about over-thinking sentence structure. Sometimes can’t see the wood for the trees.

[wolfman]

@lah7,

to do the proof-read; I will need a week to be on the safe side to read slowly through it all and don’t forget; I will also need to re-do any changes incurred on my own German translations!.

See also:

Ubuntu MATE Welcome screen

Hi @lah7, that other thread is what I meant as it is evident that there are a few things to change and rather than wait for one of the translators to find something they don’t understand, I can read through all the sections and change them to what I perceive as being correct, I did notice a couple myself but could interpret what was being said!. Ideally a global post to all translators to make them aware that they will need to re-check their translations over the next coming week should be pla…

[lah7]

Caught another. Corrected:

The following information is retrieved directly by the | inxi command line program.

To:

The following information is retrieved directly from the | inxi command line program.

[DaveB]

While reading through Introduction, just noticed this.

Original:

On many of (if not most of) the computers that make up the backbone of Internet

To:

On many of (if not most of) the computers that make up the backbone of the Internet

Or:

On many (if not most) computers providing the backbone of the Internet

[lah7]

Good catch, I’ll go with:

On many (if not most) of the computers that make up the backbone of the Internet .

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I wasn’t the original writer for Introduction and Features pages, there were a lot of long sentences originally.

We’re about up to date with changes mentioned in this thread (and later today, @wolfman’s). Translations were also resynced to Tranflex yesterday…

Many thanks @Aluxandria, @wolfman and @DaveB for helping perfect Welcome’s language side of things!

[wolfman]

One thing I did notice is that the software app descriptions are all in English on my German version of Welcome!.

Maybe you can copy & paste those in the translator too and we can do them as well?.

[lah7]

It’s a bit of a technical challenge due to how this data is processed. No guarantees, but we’ll look into it.

[kmarton815]

It’s not a typo, but I think I have to mention:

Open Source software is licensed in a way that allows anyone to give it away for free, no strings attached. For example, the licence gives any member of the user community the freedom to use Linux for any purpose, to distribute, modify, redistribute, or even sell the operating system.

This isn’t accurate. The “no strings attached” is kind of misleading for new users, because:

1. If somebody redistrubute it, the software has to remain open source (if I’m not wrong) in most cases
2. There are several kind of open source licenses, and not all of them allow modifying or redistributing, and some of these software are not free of charge. The minimum requirement (i think) is that the code must be available for studying.

So I think “no strings attached in most cases” phrase should be more accurate, or something like this.

[lah7]

I would agree – this sentence better matches the definition of “Free Software”, like the GPL license. Not all of Ubuntu is free software though. Looking at the rest of the paragraphs, it’s context is in the perspective of Linux and Ubuntu MATE, so I’ll change it to match that:

… provided free of charge, like Ubuntu MATE. The distribution is licensed in a way that allows anyone to give it away for free, with no strings attached. For example, the licence gives any member of the user community the freedom to use Linux for any purpose, to distribute, modify, redistribute, or even sell the operating system.

[Moo]

Hi, guys

1. There is untraslatable string in “rpi” file
   Compatible:
2. In file “Donate” after
   is also available. Click (20th string)
   and before
   Become a Patron (16th string)
   there is an article/word “the” which is not translatable.